M5G Cyborg EA Review
This review is part of Project 10 which has set out to review 10 commercial forex expert advisers. Out of all the systems I have reviewed, the subject of this review M5G cyborg, is one of the few expert advisers that is worth a deeper look.
Word of Caution: It is highly likely that I may have made some mistakes in this review. So please read everything I say with a skeptical mind and form your own opinion. If you see an error or have some suggestions for how to improve the review, please let me know.
Claims
If you read the M5G Website, the creators claim that their objective was to build an EA that with proper risk management could attain 15-25% a month consistently. They back this up by providing you with a link to their live forward test results. This approach to marketing an EA is refreshing as they are not trying to push you a product on the basis of a back test or hypothetical results.
What Do You Get for The Money?
Compared to other EAs on the market M5G cyborg is more expensive and costs around USD $349. For the money you get a pre-compiled (no source) Metatrader 4 expert advisor. It does not come with anything else. The manual is already publicly available on there website (click here). The EA allows you to trial the system on an unlimited number of demo accounts, but is licensed to a single account. All future upgrades to the EA are provided for free.
Refund Policy
All sales are final for this product and you cannot get a refund. Compared to other EAs sold through places like clickbank this is pretty weak.
Support
All support is provided via email. There is no phone support or discussion forum. I have sent support questions and they do answer them in about a day or so, but to be honest I was never really happy with the quality of the answers I was given. Compared to other EAs on the market, support is quite sub-par.
Who Wrote it?
We don’t know the name of the individual who developed this system. All we know is that someone called Glenn who goes by the handle of “FXGRM” on the forex tsd forums built it.
Is it Unique?
As far as I can see this EA is unique. That does not mean that the EA is unique, it just means I have not seen something similar.
How Does it Work?
Like all EAs that I have reviewed so far, M5G cyborg is a “grey box” system, meaning that the internal logic of how it trades is proprietary, but the user can adjust some of the settings. If you read their documentation, there is little clue as to how it works. If you read the forex tsd forums you will see that the creator of M5G cyborg based on a manual strategy he had traded by hand for a few months. He does not disclose more than that.
Markets
You can trade M5G cyborg on any market your broker supports. However, the creators of the EA recommend you trade the system on a 5 minute chart on the EUR/USD and GBP/USD.
Entries
The entry logic for the M5G cyborg EA is not disclosed. Based on the settings, entries are filtered on a number of properties:
- Day of week filter where trades are only opened between monday and thursday and the system is out of the market on friday
- Time of day filter which by default is set to enter in a 2.5 hour window between 8 PM and 10.30 PM GMT (i.e. the end of the New York session and into the Asian open)
- The spread is lower than 4 pips and the slippage is less than 5 pips (i.e. the market is not experiencing extreme volatility)
In terms of making entry decisions, there are some internal indicators the system seems to use. However, these are not disclosed. Based on the picture on their home page, these could be the MACD, STR and EMA on 5 different bar charts (M1, M5, M15, M30, H1, H4). However, we don’t know for sure as the EA when you trade it does not look like this. From discussions on the forums all we know is the creator feels that modern markets are far too volatile and he recommends placing trades on shorter time frames using shorter indicators.

Exits
The exit logic for M5G cyborg seems to be:
- Take Profit: 30 pips
- Stop Loss: 140 pips
- Time Based Stop: Close positions before the end of the US session (i.e. the system does not hold positions over night)
In addition to this, the system also seems to “average down”, meaning that the system will add to positions if at first they are not successful. The user can control how far the system will average down.
Position Sizing
Position sizing is calculated as a percentage of the margin available. The recommended level is between 2% and 5%. The danger in this strategy is with the wide stops, you stand to loose far more than 2 – 5% of the account. You will see an example of this below.
Performance
On the M5G website they run a number of different versions of the M5G cyborg with different settings. Their best performer has made 70% over a 2 month period. I have forward tested M5G cyborg on a demo account for 1 month and managed to repeat the result. The results seemed promising, with a over a 70% profit, a profit factor of 4.12, 73% of trades are winners and a maximal drawdown of 8%.

Since the original forward test on a demo account, I funded a small live account with a few hundred dollars to see how it would go. In the space of a couple of months the system doubled my account. I have now withdrawn the initial deposit and I am now trading on pure profits alone.
Weaknesses
M5G cyborg is far from risk free. The key weakness in the system is it averages down (i.e. it doubles up on loosing positions) and the stops are relatively wide for the amount of leverage employed. So if you take a loss it will take out a large chunk of your account. If you read the online documentation, their explanation for what triggers these kinds of losses
Q: Can this EA ever lose money? A: Yes. Any EA can lose money. There is always the danger of fast breakouts. This is the downfall of many EA’s. Good Money Management is required at all times in order to reduce the risk.
I have run this system in demo on a non-recommended trading pair (USD/JPY) and it did just this. The net loss on the account was close to 20%.
How Best to Trade It
Trading is risky business and if you do decide to trade M5G cyborg, you need to be willing to accept the risk of potentially loosing everything in your account. If you are not comfortable with this level of risk or with averaging down, then you should not trade this system.
Now that I have established that, if you do decide to trade with M5G cyborg, to get the most out of M5G cyborg there are 4 things to keep in mind:
- As this system can loose everything, only trading with money you can afford to loose
- Withdrawing profits regularly from your account, so that if you do get a nasty surprise and loose everything in your account, you will have something to show for it.
- Use the recommended leverage settings. If the leverage is to high you risk loosing a large chunk of your account as the system starts averaging down.
- Lastly, you should always keep an eye on the M5G website as they change their recommendations for markets to trade and settings from time to time.
Closing Thoughts
I am not going to recommend you buy M5G cyborg. That decision is yours and yours alone. If you do decide to buy it, make sure you do your due diligence on it by looking at other reviews before you buy it and make sure you do adequate testing on it before committing any of your hard earned trading capital on it.
For me I am giving M5G cyborg a chance to see what it can do over the long term with a small account. I think this system is worth a deeper look, but the averaging down nature makes me nervous.

(4.88 out of 5)
April 14th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Nice review. The EA does seem good this far, however it has the same problem as many other EA’s. The risk/reward ratio is not very good! It would be cool if you could do an update on this, once in the future when you have had it running for some time. I will definately be looking into this one.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:55 am
Microtactician ,
I have looked at their top rated strategy number 3 and whenever it has a losing trade it doubles the lot size on the next trade for the same currency pair.Isn`t it very risky ? What do you think ?
April 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
Thanks for that – I hadn’t paid close attention to that specific detail
You are correct it seems to have a martingale component to its strategy, where it doubles up with a limit order after a loss. If you look at the settings, you can control the degree to which it will permit doubling up after a loss. So you can control how much you are willing to risk to dig yourself out of a loss.
I will update the post when I get a chance to reflect his.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:20 am
This is an interesting EA, but there’s a caveat regarding their live results (MT4 Stats). They’ve been testing 4 accounts with various settings since early February. Two accounts have performed well and you can see the complete trade history for them. The other two accounts didn’t start out as well and they’ve continually reset the accounts and changed settings–at least 5 or 6 times I think.
This is okay, I guess, but it seems to give their results a “survivorship bias,” to use a term from the mutual fund industry.
If you buy this EA, it’s probably safest to use (and monitor) the settings from one of the winning accounts.
April 25th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Ive been using this EA and it works. The pairs are eur/usd and gdp/usd. I traded the AUD with some success and it was once i saw its strategy where the position sets another limit order away from the entry which if hits buys another contract (doubles up) but adjuss the Take profit and SL (where other systems dont) to suit the new entry. So I have the position sizing low to take into account another purchase but this hasnt happened yet with my primary pairs e/u, g/u. This system made me money and i would highly recommend someone running it, only 2% risk setting. the account at last look on the makers site has grown using system 3 (which is now the default setting if you buy) from $5k to $8?/9k this year
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 am
I also bought this ea and will tested it in the following days. any chance of other traders that are already trading live, post in a mt4stats account the results? that could be nice for all understand a little better the performance of this ea. Once I finish my test phase, I will go live and will have a mt4stats linked to my live account.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:40 am
This robot it really use a martingale strategy!
Yesterday, it open a trade at 21:30 GMT, buy 0.5 . That is a quiet time (the time when this robot trade, has a very low volume…) I dont know why this particular time was chosen for the default setting…
Then, as cause of the little volume, the TP wanst reached, so, the day after, during the london hour, it open another trade (buy limit), with doble lots – 1.0 lot… and another buy limit was ready – 2.0 lots…
then the second trade was close with profit, that cover the little loss of the first… and for this particular case, the balance was 169€, for a 5k€ account.
So, I would like to understand what is this strategy applied, before go live…
April 29th, 2009 at 6:48 am
clv: you are correct, as mentioned above this system uses a form of martingales called averaging down, where you buy into the dip and doubling up every time after a loss.
You can control how far the system will average down. If this kind of strategy is not your cup of tea then best to avoid it.
May 16th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Hi Macrotactician,
Can you please update me.Are you still using this EA in your account and are you happy with it.
Thanks
May 19th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Hi Greg,
Yes I am still trading it on a small live account. So far I have doubled my account over a couple of months, with no major incedents. I have withdrawn my initial deposit and am now trading on pure profits now. I will let it go for another couple of months.
As far as EAs go, cyborg is still very high risk as indicated in the article above, so you can only trade it with money you can afford to loose.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
Microtactician,
What was the larges drawdown that you have seen so far ?
Thanks
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
What was the amount you started with in your live account and what broker and settings did you use?
May 25th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Greg: On my demo account which trades 3 pairs (EUR/USD, GBP/USD and USD/JPY) I have seen 50% drawdowns mainly originating from the USD/JPY. On my live account, which only trades the EUR/USD and GBP/USD I have never seen a drawdown greater than 15%. Having said that, the averaging down nature of the system means it is possible to have a 100% drawdown. I have not had an instance of that yet.
Bobby:my broker is IBFX. I use the default settings number 3. I only funded my account with a few hundred dollars as this system is capable of loosing everything.
May 26th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Since there is no refund, would you test the m5g cyborg on the mbtrading meta trader4 platform? this platform does not trade all EA’s.I has not gone live yet, but is a true ECN.
May 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Live and demo behave differently. Since I don’t have a live account with mbtrading I cannot test this for you properly.
You might be best to ask the seller this question or try it yourself and if it does not work with mbtrading move to a new broker and ask the seller to move your account number over.
May 27th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
loved your interview:-)
Thanks!
One QQ though – since you have used on a live account – is it still running? and what was your starting balance and did you trade both pairs simultaneously from the beginning on your live account?
Cheers!
Jhans
May 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
yes it is still running. my balance started with a few hundred dollars and I traded both pairs simultaneously from the start.
May 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Great. thanks for reply.
Do you close orders manually (as the developer states on the webpage that you _may_ want to do before the london session opens or has this never posed an issue?
Thanks again!
July 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Good EA
Can u send to my email ….. pleaseee
Thanks
July 24th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
satgas: I am happy to arrange a legally licensed copy for you for $1350 US (that includes a $350 license for a brand spanking new copy of M5G cyborg and my handling “fee”).
November 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Hello,
I have been reading your Project 10 series with a lot of interest. I would appreciate a lot if you could let me know your status of your recent automated trading results using those EAs. Are they doing well, or have you gave up some of them?
Thanks.